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In the latest episode of Climb in Consulting, Nick is joined by Michael Simmonds and Manfred Abraham, who are both Co-CEOs at Yonder Consulting.

We don’t often have two guests appearing at once, but this episode really does demand it!

Their story, and that of Yonder, makes for a fascinating case study in how, by combining complementary skill sets and businesses with shared values, you’re able to create something that is truly greater than the sum of its parts.

Having worked closely together in their previous businesses, Michael at Populus and Manfred at BrandCap, they decided to join forces to form Yonder back in 2020.

Fast forward to 2022, and Yonder is thriving. Despite the challenges of bringing their businesses together during the pandemic, they’re now a growing firm of over 150 people, with offices across London, New York and Hong Kong.

In this  conversation, Nick chats with Michael and Manfred as they explore their journey to co-running Yonder. They discuss the lessons they’ve learnt along the way, including:

  • How they successfully merged their businesses and launched Yonder during the pandemic, the challenges both of these things caused for them and how they overcame them.
  • How Michael and Manfred are able to make co-running the business work, the structures they use, and their advice to others thinking of following a similar approach
  • And how they’ve approached diversity and inclusion at Yonder. The practical steps they’ve taken and advice for others looking to create more of an open conversation about diversity and inclusion in their firm.

If you want to understand how you can make a merger work – whether you’re merging firm, practice or team – the advice that Michael and Manfred share in this one will give you a lots to think about.

Enjoy the show!

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